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	<title>Comments on: Pride and copyright</title>
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		<title>By: Anne-Marie</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That last point goes to explaining why there so much more reason to talk bout the Austen brand than about the Gaskell or Bronte brands (though I think I would disagree with an argument that many or most of these examples could be called spoofs or satires of the source materials).   But overall, yeah, I definitely agree that there&#039;s no one reason why there are so many Austen-related derivative works, and that specific question isn&#039;t  really what I&#039;ve been thinking about.  I think what I&#039;m saying is not that there should or shouldn&#039;t be more Austen derivations, but that there should be more derivative works period, and the energy around Austen is just one reason I think that.  

But I think the middle piece, the addition of the professional creative resources, or the addition of commercial distribution, is important.  A big part of how our culture is creative is how it tells and retells stories.  And we can&#039;t do that with very many of our stories, and those we can are so old that they&#039;re not always going to translate and resonate and we&#039;re being hindered in our storytelling because of those restrictions.  There are derivative works all over, some of them absolute genius, some of them yes are derivative of derivatives.  But when they&#039;re illegal and when they&#039;re restricted, I don&#039;t think we&#039;re better off for it.  And absolute crap that exists in the Austen genre doesn&#039;t really change my mind about that, which I find kind of interesting :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last point goes to explaining why there so much more reason to talk bout the Austen brand than about the Gaskell or Bronte brands (though I think I would disagree with an argument that many or most of these examples could be called spoofs or satires of the source materials).   But overall, yeah, I definitely agree that there&#8217;s no one reason why there are so many Austen-related derivative works, and that specific question isn&#8217;t  really what I&#8217;ve been thinking about.  I think what I&#8217;m saying is not that there should or shouldn&#8217;t be more Austen derivations, but that there should be more derivative works period, and the energy around Austen is just one reason I think that.  </p>
<p>But I think the middle piece, the addition of the professional creative resources, or the addition of commercial distribution, is important.  A big part of how our culture is creative is how it tells and retells stories.  And we can&#8217;t do that with very many of our stories, and those we can are so old that they&#8217;re not always going to translate and resonate and we&#8217;re being hindered in our storytelling because of those restrictions.  There are derivative works all over, some of them absolute genius, some of them yes are derivative of derivatives.  But when they&#8217;re illegal and when they&#8217;re restricted, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re better off for it.  And absolute crap that exists in the Austen genre doesn&#8217;t really change my mind about that, which I find kind of interesting :-)</p>
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		<title>By: caleb</title>
		<link>http://info-fetishist.org/2009/08/13/pride-and-copyright/#comment-1165</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it takes one person to do something awesome with Austen for a lot of other people to follow. For me, awesome moments were Emma Thompson&#039;s Golden Globe acceptance speech and Anthony Lane&#039;s review of &#039;Kingpin&#039; in the New Yorker. But for others it might be P&amp;P&amp;Z or Bride and Prejudice. This wave we are riding is a great big one.

Derivative works exist whether their sources are copyrighted or not. Certainly, the smooth production you get from an editor working on a commercial work can make it more successful. So one possibility is that a commercially successful (and copyright-compliant) derivative work is going to beget more. 

Or perhaps it isn&#039;t a work&#039;s derisiveness that makes it successful, perhaps it&#039;s just genre. Jane Austen is fun to spoof because she was a satirist herself. She&#039;s popular today because her central theme of love&#039;s power to overcome class and wealth resonates with our cultural obsession with free will and &#039;the american dream&#039; - it is up to us to work hard and do right, and everything will work out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it takes one person to do something awesome with Austen for a lot of other people to follow. For me, awesome moments were Emma Thompson&#8217;s Golden Globe acceptance speech and Anthony Lane&#8217;s review of &#8216;Kingpin&#8217; in the New Yorker. But for others it might be P&amp;P&amp;Z or Bride and Prejudice. This wave we are riding is a great big one.</p>
<p>Derivative works exist whether their sources are copyrighted or not. Certainly, the smooth production you get from an editor working on a commercial work can make it more successful. So one possibility is that a commercially successful (and copyright-compliant) derivative work is going to beget more. </p>
<p>Or perhaps it isn&#8217;t a work&#8217;s derisiveness that makes it successful, perhaps it&#8217;s just genre. Jane Austen is fun to spoof because she was a satirist herself. She&#8217;s popular today because her central theme of love&#8217;s power to overcome class and wealth resonates with our cultural obsession with free will and &#8216;the american dream&#8217; &#8211; it is up to us to work hard and do right, and everything will work out.</p>
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